{"id":161027,"date":"2024-10-25T03:35:18","date_gmt":"2024-10-25T03:35:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/news.talkwithrattan.com\/index.php\/2024\/10\/25\/tory-mp-launches-plan-to-make-britain-vaguely-civilised-again\/"},"modified":"2024-10-25T03:35:18","modified_gmt":"2024-10-25T03:35:18","slug":"tory-mp-launches-plan-to-make-britain-vaguely-civilised-again","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/news.talkwithrattan.com\/index.php\/2024\/10\/25\/tory-mp-launches-plan-to-make-britain-vaguely-civilised-again\/","title":{"rendered":"Tory MP launches plan to &#8216;make Britain vaguely civilised again&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"text-align:center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"160\" height=\"90\" src=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/www.bbc.com\/bbcx\/grey-placeholder.png?fit=160,90&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image\" alt=\"Tory MP launches plan to &#8216;make Britain vaguely civilised again&#8217;\" title=\"Tory MP launches plan to &#8216;make Britain vaguely civilised again&#8217;\" \/><\/div><p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div id=\"\">\n<figure>\n<div data-component=\"image-block\" class=\"sc-18fde0d6-0 EXUng\">\n<div data-testid=\"hero-image\" class=\"sc-a34861b-1 jxzoZC\"><img decoding=\"async\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1280px) 50vw, (min-width: 1008px) 66vw, 96vw\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/240\/cpsprodpb\/602c\/live\/f5bf5a40-921d-11ef-90b7-37402a2bfa82.jpg.webp 240w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/320\/cpsprodpb\/602c\/live\/f5bf5a40-921d-11ef-90b7-37402a2bfa82.jpg.webp 320w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/480\/cpsprodpb\/602c\/live\/f5bf5a40-921d-11ef-90b7-37402a2bfa82.jpg.webp 480w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/640\/cpsprodpb\/602c\/live\/f5bf5a40-921d-11ef-90b7-37402a2bfa82.jpg.webp 640w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/800\/cpsprodpb\/602c\/live\/f5bf5a40-921d-11ef-90b7-37402a2bfa82.jpg.webp 800w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/1024\/cpsprodpb\/602c\/live\/f5bf5a40-921d-11ef-90b7-37402a2bfa82.jpg.webp 1024w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/1536\/cpsprodpb\/602c\/live\/f5bf5a40-921d-11ef-90b7-37402a2bfa82.jpg.webp 1536w\" src=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/480\/cpsprodpb\/602c\/live\/f5bf5a40-921d-11ef-90b7-37402a2bfa82.jpg.webp\" loading=\"eager\" alt=\"Getty Images Graffiti covered street corner with rubbish strewn about outside an old industrial factory building in Birmingham\" class=\"sc-a34861b-0 efFcac\"\/><span class=\"sc-a34861b-2 fxQYxK\">Getty Images<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-18fde0d6-0 dlWCEZ\">\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">Conservative MP Neil O&#8217;Brien has set out a list of policies to make Britain &#8220;vaguely civilised again&#8221; including &#8220;large and instant fines&#8221; for passengers playing music on public transport and a &#8220;crackdown on spitting&#8221;.<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">The Leicestershire MP also called for action to stop e-scooters being &#8221; dumped across pavements&#8221; and a push to plant trees on every residential street &#8220;where this is remotely possible&#8221;. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">O&#8217;Brien was a minister in the previous Conservative government and is an influential thinker in the party, as the former head of the Policy Exchange think tank. <!-- --><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-18fde0d6-0 dlWCEZ\">\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.neilobrien.co.uk\/p\/an-orderly-and-civilised-society\" class=\"sc-c9299ecf-0 bZUiKB\" rel=\"noopener\">In a Substack article,<!-- --><\/a> O&#8217;Brien argued the desire to live in a &#8220;civilised, orderly society&#8221; was &#8220;one of the most under-discussed and under-appreciated things in politics&#8221;.<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">&#8220;It is something often promised by politicians &#8211; but in my lifetime it has not been delivered.&#8221;<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">O&#8217;Brien said politicians on both the left and the right were &#8220;culpable&#8221; and criticised his own party for failing to deliver on promises and prioritising &#8220;other things more&#8221;. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">&#8220;We cut police numbers then restored them; lost prison officers, then rehired less experienced ones; and we didn\u2019t deal with the prolific offenders who cause so much misery.&#8221;<!-- --><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-18fde0d6-0 dlWCEZ\">\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">However, he also said he did not &#8220;believe for one second the current government has what it takes to make this country more orderly&#8221;. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">His list of proposals include:<!-- --><\/p>\n<ul class=\"sc-5c9c90b0-0 cnfHHs\">\n<li class=\"sc-8d73edac-0 ezcCTE\">Action to stop e-bikes and scooters being ridden on pavements<!-- --><\/li>\n<li class=\"sc-8d73edac-0 ezcCTE\">An end to &#8216;street scars&#8217;, where gaps in street paving are replaced with tarmac<!-- --><\/li>\n<li class=\"sc-8d73edac-0 ezcCTE\">A &#8220;galvanising&#8221; national goal to reduce the amount of litter <!-- --><\/li>\n<li class=\"sc-8d73edac-0 ezcCTE\">Councils to sort dumping of fridges, mattresses and broken cars<!-- --><\/li>\n<li class=\"sc-8d73edac-0 ezcCTE\">Action to stop phone boxes and street furniture being covered in graffiti<!-- --><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">Speaking to the BBC, O&#8217;Brien singled out street artist Banksy for criticism. He said his work was &#8220;valorising&#8221; graffiti. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">&#8220;Graffiti is not art, it&#8217;s a massive nuisance, it creates a really disorderly atmosphere.<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">&#8220;People have done everything they can to make their place, perhaps a business or shop, nice then some moron sprays paint all over it.&#8221;<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">He said his list was inspired by comments from his constituents and the ideas &#8220;tap into things a lot of people are thinking&#8221;. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">The Harborough, Oadby and Wigston MP did not say if he thought his manifesto could have won his party the last election but hoped the Conservatives would &#8220;pursue this agenda&#8221; in opposition.<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">In his article, O&#8217;Brien argued having a &#8220;pleasant, civilised nice place to live&#8221; was an end in itself.<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">However, he also said there was good evidence a disorderly society leads to &#8220;crime and really serious disorder&#8221;. <!-- --><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<figure>\n<div data-component=\"image-block\" class=\"sc-18fde0d6-0 jFCfG\">\n<div data-testid=\"image\" class=\"sc-a34861b-1 jxzoZC\"><img decoding=\"async\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1280px) 50vw, (min-width: 1008px) 66vw, 96vw\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/240\/cpsprodpb\/8264\/live\/2a3e6410-9222-11ef-9347-4b3dd7fd1c89.png.webp 240w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/320\/cpsprodpb\/8264\/live\/2a3e6410-9222-11ef-9347-4b3dd7fd1c89.png.webp 320w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/480\/cpsprodpb\/8264\/live\/2a3e6410-9222-11ef-9347-4b3dd7fd1c89.png.webp 480w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/640\/cpsprodpb\/8264\/live\/2a3e6410-9222-11ef-9347-4b3dd7fd1c89.png.webp 640w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/800\/cpsprodpb\/8264\/live\/2a3e6410-9222-11ef-9347-4b3dd7fd1c89.png.webp 800w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/1024\/cpsprodpb\/8264\/live\/2a3e6410-9222-11ef-9347-4b3dd7fd1c89.png.webp 1024w,https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/1536\/cpsprodpb\/8264\/live\/2a3e6410-9222-11ef-9347-4b3dd7fd1c89.png.webp 1536w\" src=\"https:\/\/ichef.bbci.co.uk\/news\/480\/cpsprodpb\/8264\/live\/2a3e6410-9222-11ef-9347-4b3dd7fd1c89.png.webp\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"Neil O'Brien head shot, with a leafy background of trees and grass\" class=\"sc-a34861b-0 efFcac\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><figcaption class=\"sc-8353772e-0 cvNhQw\">Neil O&#8217;Brien is a former adviser to George Osborne<!-- --><\/figcaption><\/p>\n<\/figure>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-18fde0d6-0 dlWCEZ\">\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">Matt Ashby, a crime science lecturer at University College London, says many of the actions O&#8217;Brien proposes would require &#8220;substantial investment in public services&#8221;.<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">&#8220;The question is where would that money come from?&#8221;<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">He said the most effective way to tackle anti-social behaviour was probably to catch offenders in the act, something that would require more police officers. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">But, he added, politicians usually prefer to opt for the &#8220;cheaper&#8221; option of increasing the severity of the punishment, such as fines, rather than employing more officers to enforce the rules. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">O&#8217;Brien acknowledged in his piece that the Conservative-led government cut the number of police and although the overall levels were later restored, Ashby says cuts to Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs) were not. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">&#8220;Compared to 2010, right now we only have 44% of the PCSOs.&#8221;<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">&#8220;That&#8217;s particularly important for anti-social behaviour &#8211; anti-social behaviour is what PCSOs were focused on.&#8221;<!-- --><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><h2 class=\"sc-518485e5-0 kRvAla\">&#8216;Broken windows&#8217;<!-- --><\/h2>\n<\/p>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-18fde0d6-0 dlWCEZ\">\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s argument that low-level disorder can lead to more serious crimes stems from the Broken Windows Theory first put forward in a <!-- --><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/magazine\/archive\/1982\/03\/broken-windows\/304465\/\" class=\"sc-c9299ecf-0 bZUiKB\" rel=\"noopener\">US magazine article<!-- --><\/a> in 1982.<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">Academics James Wilson and George Kelling argued police departments could prevent more serious crime by tackling low-level crime, such as window-breaking.<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">The theory was taken up enthusiastically in the early 1990s by then-New York Mayor Rudi Giullani, who was later able to point to a massive drop in crime, including a 70% decline in murder rates.<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">However, critics have pointed out decreases <!-- --><a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/world-us-canada-13799616\" class=\"sc-c9299ecf-0 bZUiKB\" rel=\"noopener\">mirrored a general fall<!-- --><\/a> in crime not just in the US, but across the western world. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">There have also been concerns the tough approach damages relations between communities and law enforcement. <!-- --><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><h2 class=\"sc-518485e5-0 kRvAla\">&#8216;Eyes and ears&#8217;<!-- --><\/h2>\n<\/p>\n<div data-component=\"text-block\" class=\"sc-18fde0d6-0 dlWCEZ\">\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">Earlier this year, the then-Conservative government announced \u00a366m for police forces in England and Wales to &#8220;ramp-up&#8221; patrols in &#8220;hotspot&#8221; areas with high levels of violence and disorder. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">It followed pilots in 10 areas including <!-- --><a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/uk-68413840\" class=\"sc-c9299ecf-0 bZUiKB\" rel=\"noopener\">Brunswick, Lancashire<!-- --><\/a> and <!-- --><a target=\"_self\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/uk-england-essex-67011156\" class=\"sc-c9299ecf-0 bZUiKB\" rel=\"noopener\">Southend, Essex.<!-- --><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">Since being elected, the Labour government has said it would introduce &#8220;respect orders&#8221; designed to ban persistent anti-social offenders from town centres. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">Labour has also promised to bring in an extra 13,000 police officers who would be the &#8220;eyes and ears&#8221; of local communities. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">Addressing a policing conference earlier this week, Home Office Minister Diana Johnson said: &#8220;Anti-social behaviour is not merely a low-level nuisance. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">&#8220;It hits the poorest and most vulnerable communities hardest and, if left unchecked, leads to more serious offending.&#8221;<!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">The Crime Survey for England and Wales <!-- --><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ons.gov.uk\/peoplepopulationandcommunity\/crimeandjustice\/bulletins\/crimeinenglandandwales\/yearendingjune2024#anti-social-behaviour\" class=\"sc-c9299ecf-0 bZUiKB\" rel=\"noopener\">estimates<!-- --><\/a> 25% of people perceive anti-social behaviour to be a fairly or very big problem in their local area and 8% think their neighbourhood has a high level of anti-social behaviour. <!-- --><\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-eb7bd5f6-0 fYAfXe\">These levels have remained consistent over the past decade.  <!-- --><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/articles\/c33v3e0xkr7o\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Getty Images Conservative MP Neil O&#8217;Brien has set out a list of policies to make Britain &#8220;vaguely civilised again&#8221; 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