{"id":255924,"date":"2025-03-10T15:02:18","date_gmt":"2025-03-10T15:02:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/news.talkwithrattan.com\/index.php\/2025\/03\/10\/brain-implants-dont-change-a-persons-sense-of-self-hear-why\/"},"modified":"2025-03-10T15:02:18","modified_gmt":"2025-03-10T15:02:18","slug":"brain-implants-dont-change-a-persons-sense-of-self-hear-why","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/news.talkwithrattan.com\/index.php\/2025\/03\/10\/brain-implants-dont-change-a-persons-sense-of-self-hear-why\/","title":{"rendered":"Brain implants don\u2019t change a person\u2019s sense of self. Hear why"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"text-align:center\"><\/div> \r\n<br><br><div data-component=\"video-embed\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\n\n\n\n<p>In the fifth episode of The Deep End, Jon Nelson describes depression as a \u201cno-casserole disease,\u201d one that people are often afraid to acknowledge because of the stigma around mental health disorders. This episode lets listeners into the experience of having a disease that\u2019s often misunderstood, and why that can be so harmful for people who struggle with depression. There\u2019s a philosophical angle here, too: Where does a person\u2019s <em>self<\/em> come from? And how does the brain fit into that answer?<\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Embed\" class=\"sn-responsive-iframe\" id=\"sn-responsive-iframe-48\" src=\"https:\/\/play.prx.org\/e?ge=prx_7947_d2e07b8e-ccfa-4423-bbb5-b2263220db0a&amp;uf=https%3A%2F%2Fpublicfeeds.net%2Ff%2F7947%2Fthedeepend\" width=\"100%\" height=\"300\" layout=\"responsive\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"\">\n\t<\/iframe>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">TRANSCRIPT<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Laura Sanders:<\/strong> This episode deals with mental illness, depression, and suicide. Please listen with care. Previously on The Deep End.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Shannon O\u2019Neill:<\/strong> And DBS is not going to give you happiness. It\u2019s not going to just be a device that turns on happiness 24\/7. It\u2019s to get you out of the hole and be on solid ground.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jon Nelson:<\/strong> So has the device made me happy? The device has made me disease-free. That\u2019s all that I needed it to do. It has not taken away the typical emotions in life that I\u2019m going to have forever, and those are happiness, sadness, anger. I\u2019m gonna have those and I\u2019m going to have to learn how to live with having those.<\/p>\n\n\n<aside class=\"sn-conversion rich-text rich-text--with-sidebar\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-elements-27c40654034fbeecef6418d6adfe0794\" style=\"color:gray; margin-bottom:0px; font-size:.9rem;\">Sponsor Message<\/p>\n<!-- Tag ID: sciencenews-org_leaderboard_incontent -->\n\n<\/aside>\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders: <\/strong>On the last episode, we heard how Jon had to make room for new emotions once his depression had lifted. On this episode, we\u2019re going to talk not so much about depression, but about shame, the shame and the judgment of having a mental disorder, and all too often, the shame and the judgment of the treatment people seek. We\u2019ll explore whether there\u2019s something different about changing our brains versus any other part of our bodies. This is The Deep End. I\u2019m Laura Sanders.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Like many who have struggled with a mental illness, Emily Hollenbeck has plenty of stories of people not quite getting it. She told me about some of these encounters, and one was particularly bad. It was when she was going in for ECT. That\u2019s electroconvulsive therapy, and it\u2019s when doctors send big doses of electricity into the brain to cause a controlled seizure. She was about to be anesthetized and her usual anesthesiologist wasn\u2019t around that day.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Emily: <\/strong>One day this new guy came in and I\u2019m laying on the table, like, it\u2019s a very easy procedure. I really look forward to the, you know, the anesthesiologist doing his job, cause then I can just take my nap, you know, wake up later and have my little snack. But he was prepping everything, and he looks at me and goes, \u201cOh, you have a Ph.D. in psychology.\u201d I was like \u201cYeah, like, I don\u2019t know where this is going. It\u2019s 8 a.m. Let\u2019s go. Let\u2019s get this done.\u201d And he just like, his eyes just settled on me goes, \u201cHuh, that\u2019s ironic.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> Oh my God.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Emily: <\/strong>And there was this palpable silence in the room, and I just sort of felt like, no one said anything, and I think it\u2019s probably one of those moments where everyone was just kind of shocked, like, what are you talking about? Like, why would you say that? But I\u2019m thinking like this guy is an anesthesiologist, like, of all the professionals, he should know. And of course in that moment with stigma, I mean, the problem is you\u2019re always feeling like you\u2019re the one who can\u2019t say anything. So what really sticks out about that to me is with ECT oftentimes, you know, your memory is a little blurry. It\u2019s a little fuzzy. I remember that moment. It pops up, you know, every now and then and it still, like, hits me in the chest, like, if this doctor at this really renowned hospital is saying this to me, what are other people thinking?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> So there she was, utterly vulnerable and in the hands of a doctor who clearly didn\u2019t understand her disease at all. And who was about to give her drugs to make her unconscious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Emily:<\/strong> And I think about, you know, like for the procedure, like, oftentimes they use, you know, they have to use the heavy-hitting anesthesia because they need to knock you out. And I wanted to say something. I remember I\u2019m just literally biting my tongue and being like, \u201cWe\u2019re not gonna sass the guy who\u2019s injecting the propofol.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> Feeling diminished, judged, and not understood is unfortunately something that happens a lot to people with depression, and other mental illnesses too. The shame this causes can lead people to hide their struggles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jon: <\/strong>The stigma keeps people silent. And the silence and you staying in your own head and you not being able to express how you feel just gets worse and worse and worse. And the entire goal, like I said, is to, to, is to have you take your own life. And the more you stay silent, the bigger opportunity you have to do that. And I despise it. And I despise the fact that it exists. It is real. The amount of times that I have had people say to me, \u201cSnap out of it. What do you, dude, you got, you got a great life. You\u2019re succeeding professionally, you got great kids, your wife\u2019s awesome. Like, what, what do you have to be depressed about? What do you have to be depressed for?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> Jon has ways of explaining it that really hit home. He calls depression a no-casserole disease. Cancer? People bring a casserole to your house. Broke a leg? Had a baby? Casserole. Depression? No casserole.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jon: <\/strong>Cancer is horrific. It\u2019s horrible. It\u2019s awful. Nobody deserves it. Nobody wants it. But if you pass from cancer, you\u2019re a warrior. You gave it all you got. People are bringing casseroles over to your house. Five-K races are going in your name, right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> But with depression it\u2019s different.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jon:<\/strong> You tell people that you have it, and people will look at you and not say anything. Can you imagine telling somebody you have cancer, and them looking at you not saying anything, right? Awkward. Weird. If you take that exact same situation for severe mental illness, your entire mind\u2019s getting wrecked. You\u2019re doing it mostly in silence. People aren\u2019t, aren\u2019t really involved in helping out because of that. If you, if you are open about it, there\u2019s judgment from it. And then if you pass, you take your own life, so your own life, so right there you\u2019re stigmatized. You\u2019re stigmatized because of the word suicide. You certainly aren\u2019t getting life insurance. You have the, the family, \u201cCan you believe that their dad took their life, right?\u201d That\u2019s what the disease is. The disease laughs at you even after death.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> Jon remembers a friend, a good friend, who finally got it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jon:<\/strong> With most diseases, Parkinson\u2019s, cancer, you don\u2019t have to understand what they are. You just know it sucks, right? Like, that sucks you have that, right? For some reason, people need to understand what depression is for them to get it and for them to care about it. But I had a huge insight after surgery. A week later, a friend came over. He\u2019s been very helpful throughout all this, you know, we\u2019d meet and walk when I could. We, you know, he was very, you know, he\u2019d send me the text and be supportive. And he said, \u201cHow was it?\u201d I said, \u201cYou have no idea.\u201d I was like, \u201cDude, I can do normal things now.\u201d I can, you know, which most people wouldn\u2019t understand that being able to return your phone call is massive. Being able to walk outside? Massive. And so I\u2019m sitting there telling him, it\u2019s a week later, I\u2019m like, \u201cMan, I haven\u2019t had a suicidal thought in a week.\u201d And he looked at me, and he was like, \u201cYou\u2019ve had a suicidal thought before?\u201d And it was such, like, a mind-opening experience for me, where I\u2019m like, this is an empathetic, kind, caring person, and they have no idea the hell that you go through.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> Patient 001 also struggles to get the experience across to people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Patient 001: <\/strong>I\u2019ve always explained to people, people don\u2019t understand. Depression is not a character flaw. And what I mean by that is anytime you see people kill themselves, people that haven\u2019t gone through depression, they\u2019re like, \u201cOh, they give up.\u201d People don\u2019t give up. They\u2019re in a fire. They\u2019re in a fire and it doesn\u2019t stop. And not only that, not only are they in a fire and it doesn\u2019t stop, it\u2019s almost like you\u2019re possessed by a demon, like your brain, what it\u2019s feeding you is wrong. It\u2019s just telling you, \u201cKill yourself. Kill yourself every day, every day, every second.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> There is so much about depression that people who haven\u2019t had it don\u2019t understand, can\u2019t understand. But to really pile on, there are even more misconceptions about treatment for depression. Emily remembers telling someone about her upcoming ECT treatments.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Emily:<\/strong> I remember I was at a party, and I was telling a friend of a friend, you know, \u2018Oh, I\u2019m gonna have, start ECT next week.\u201d And she goes, \u201cHow could you do that to yourself?\u201d It\u2019s like, if you saw the procedure, it\u2019s one of those boring things. Like, it lasts like 10 minutes and you don\u2019t feel anything. But, you know, this woman felt the need to like correct me about my, you know, medical choice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> The real-world fallout from all those snap judgments are why I\u2019m not identifying patient 001 by his name. He works in an intensely intellectual and competitive field, and with a new baby at home, he can\u2019t risk losing business over people\u2019s mistaken assumptions. He remembers telling his family he had decided to volunteer for the DBS experiment. They were skeptical at first.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Patient 001:<\/strong> When you go to your mom and you explain, \u201cMom, this is what I\u2019m considering.\u201d And she\u2019s like, \u201cAre you insane? You\u2019re going to be a guinea pig basically? You\u2019re going to have brain surgery?\u201d It sounds like a bad sci-fi movie, right? At first, they were like, \u201cWhat are you doing? This is so desperate. There\u2019s so many other things, you get yada yada yada yada yada.\u201d And then it\u2019s like, \u201cOh, you\u2019re back. You were right.\u201d You know what I mean? Yeah, so I was like, I\u2019m telling you. So that\u2019s why I didn\u2019t go to my family to sort of get their approval. I went to people that had gone through what I was going through, and it\u2019s not because your family\u2019s bad. Again, that\u2019s perspective, it\u2019s perspective.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> Don\u2019t get me wrong. Patient 001 adores his family, but that doesn\u2019t mean they fully understood. In a way, their reaction tracks with the bad reputations of other treatments for depression, and mental disorders more generally. Since their rise to prominence in the 1990s, antidepressants have been vilified by critics. Some people say these drugs can steal emotions and change personalities. ECT\u2019s reputation is still suffering from the damage done by movies like One Flew Over the Cuckoo\u2019s Nest. And even talk therapy can bring shame and secrecy, though much less so today than in the past. So perhaps it\u2019s not surprising that the idea of electrodes implanted in the brain raises a whole new set of assumptions, of misgivings and judgments. But this made me wonder, \u201cWhy?\u201d What\u2019s the difference between antidepressants, for instance, and DBS? Is there one? Emily has thought about this distinction a lot.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Emily:<\/strong> I think if you talk to someone in this day and age, this would be my guess, and you said, oh, I\u2019m taking Prozac and I\u2019m, I\u2019m scared it\u2019s going to change the core of me. Then we would be like, why? And thinking about that argument with DBS, I could see why that would be potentially like more interesting to someone, or potentially more plausible, but biochemically, if you look at what\u2019s happening, and you say, \u201cOh, you know, Prozac is changing me or DBS is changing me,\u201d what does that even really mean?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>People are much more concerned about modifications to brain-based, you know, like brain tissue or brain activity than they would be to the kidney. And obviously that makes sense, because a lot of what we experience comes through our brains, but is that really where our self is? And why are people so sensitive about the self, especially when coming to thinking about invasive treatments versus something like Prozac?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders: <\/strong>I\u2019ve been wondering the same thing. What sets the brain apart? And why are people so uncomfortable with attempts to change it? It\u2019s a part of our body, just like the lungs and the heart and the kidneys, like Emily says. So why do we get squeamish when it comes to our brains?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In my reporting, I came across some examples of surprising side effects from DBS. One interesting case study sticks with me, and it highlights how the science here is very far from clear. A Dutch man was being treated for obsessive-compulsive disorder. When his stimulation was on, he developed a brand new and intense love of Johnny Cash hits. Especially Ring of Fire, Folsom Prison Blues, and Sunday Morning Coming Down. Before DBS, his favorites were Dutch language songs and classics by the Beatles and The Rolling Stones. But when his DBS was on, it was the Man in Black all the way. When his stimulation diminished or when his batteries ran down, the man subconsciously switched back to listening to his old favorites. The anecdote might sound a little bit trivial. This guy\u2019s new musical taste didn\u2019t bother him. It\u2019s a very minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but that change, that switch, arguably bores straight to the core of our unease.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So many of us consider our brains, and the minds they create, the bedrock of our identity. After all, it\u2019s where our memories live, our thinking, our personality, our worries, our taste in music. So when a disease attacks the brain or a treatment changes the brain, we get nervous. None of us likes the thought of having a brain implant tell us what music we like, especially if we\u2019re not even aware of it. The stakes are much, much higher when it comes to how we feel, to our emotions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Reporting this story, I actually heard a lot of jokes about being a cyborg, being Bluetooth enabled, bionic. People would kind of laugh as they said it, but is there anything more to these offhand comments? Does the brain implant change who you are in some fundamental way? Here\u2019s what Jon thinks.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jon:<\/strong> I can only tell you that it is, it is the exact opposite of that question. It purely eliminates the disease. It purely eliminates the factors and the issues that come about with the disease. That\u2019s it. It does not, you know, sci-fi wise and movies and skits and all these shows we\u2019ve seen, you know, it does nothing about that. And, you know, I\u2019ve had, what\u2019s the word? People have said before, like, \u201cYou\u2019re the bionic man,\u201d like friends of mine, right? They\u2019ve said that and you just, yeah, yeah, totally dude.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> Amanda echoes that sentiment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Amanda:<\/strong> Like I don\u2019t feel like it\u2019s, nothing I\u2019ve done has ever changed my who I am or my personality. I\u2019m still the same person, just like, suffering more or less. I feel like it lets me be me more, cause I\u2019m not fighting with myself to be alive.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders: <\/strong>Emily says that who she is, is a choice. Her depression is the thing that took that choice away.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Emily: <\/strong>It really altered who I was and of course it\u2019s like this insidious progress. It\u2019s not just, one day you have depression full blown. But I look back and I think about moments of like, you know, one particular disaster, disastrous meeting with the committee, and I want to go back and hug myself, and I\u2019m almost upset like that I berated myself so much. But at that moment, that\u2019s what my brain was predisposed to. In that moment, in those times, what really felt salient was, \u201cI am uniquely and horribly bad. Something is uniquely, horribly wrong with me.\u201d And now I don\u2019t have that feeling. So which of those is correct? I don\u2019t know, but I know which one I like better, like. So I, I don\u2019t know, it\u2019s not a satisfactory answer for your question, but I think what really gets to the heart of it is, I feel like I\u2019m untethered, and I have an ability now to focus on the things that I really do care about, and that\u2019s where my self lies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders: <\/strong>Shannon O\u2019Neill, the psychologist who has worked with Jon and others, has a way to help people think about their identity, about their self, as they learn to live with DBS.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>O\u2019Neill:<\/strong> Do, I do have some thoughts of that, of, of identifying who the self is outside of depression. And I think that those are, those are next steps that we transition to when they have that abstract flexible thinking. One exercise I do is, it\u2019s called the admirable person exercise. And it says, think about the individual that you absolutely admire in your life, not for fame, wealth, beauty, money, but who they are, as a person. And it can be anyone you want. And usually that person they identify, and the reasons why, really gets to their core values of what they appreciate and what they want to live by with meaning and purpose. And we try to move towards that of how can we have committed action in that version of yourself going forward.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> This way of defining yourself strikes me as particularly meaningful. This is purposeful. This is intentional. It\u2019s defining yourself in the way that you choose. These days, Jon says, his self is lighter. Without the poison coursing through his body, Jon feels better, more energized, more present in his life. But as his daily surveys make very clear, he\u2019s still a little bit crabby.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jon: <\/strong>So poison was way over here, was 9 out of 10, right, before the disease. After the disease it\u2019s at 0. I rate mental force field. So what mental force field is, is, \u201cWhy can\u2019t I walk the dog, right? Like why can\u2019t I do this?\u201d Like, that was at 9 out of 10, 10 out of 10. That\u2019s now out of 1 out of 10, right? I\u2019m still a dude, I still have hard times doing certain things, but like, you know, going from a 10 out of 10 to 1 out of 10 is incredible. And then the one that\u2019s pretty much remained consistent is irritability. And so irritability for me was at like a 6 or a 7 or an 8. Guess what? It\u2019s still at a 6 or a 7 or an 8. And so, like my perspective to them on that is, it\u2019s not that the surgery didn\u2019t work. I guess I\u2019m just like a cranky middle-aged dude now, right? Like that just is what it is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders: <\/strong>Barbara is one of best judges of who Jon is now. Is he someone new with DBS?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I, like, yeah, like you can\u2019t say his old self, there\u2019s, he never, like, wasn\u2019t himself through this whole process. It\u2019s always, it\u2019s just, he is more comfortable and happy and relaxed and productive and present and engaged. So the things that the disease was trying to steal from him, he\u2019s getting back.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> So, no, Jon with a brain implant is not a new bionic Jon. He\u2019s just Jon. On the next and final episode, we\u2019re going to look to the future for Jon and to the future for DBS.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mayberg:<\/strong> This is never where I expected to be. But you\u2019re here, so step up. Why wouldn\u2019t you step up? This is the experiment of a lifetime, you know? Even if you, if right this second after this call, I had to stop, I wouldn\u2019t trade it for one second. But I\u2019d sure like to see the last inning. And we\u2019re all in. I\u2019m all in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sanders:<\/strong> We\u2019re considering a bonus episode that addresses your question, comments and thoughts. Please send them to us at podcasts@sciencenews.org. If you or someone you know is facing a suicidal crisis or emotional distress, call or text the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. This is the Deep End. I\u2019m Laura Sanders. If you liked this podcast, tell your friends or leave us a review. It helps the show a lot. Send us your questions and comments at podcasts@sciencenews.org. The Deep End is a production of Science News. It\u2019s based on original reporting by me, Laura Sanders. This episode was produced by Helen Thompson and mixed by Ella Rowen. Our project manager is Ashley Yeager. Nancy Shute is our editor in chief. Our music is by Blue Dot Sessions. The podcast is made possible in part by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, the John S. James L. 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