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Fujitsu IT security analyst Andy Dunks gave witness statements in dozens of cases against Post Office sub-postmasters despite saying he had “limited” knowledge of how the Horizon system worked, an inquiry has heard. <\/p>\n

His statements helped to secure the convictions of some of the highest-profile sub-postmasters, including Seema Misra, Jo Hamilton and Lee Castleton.<\/p>\n

They were among 700 convicted by the Post Office based on evidence from the flawed computer system Horizon, in what has been described as one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in British legal history.<\/p>\n

An inquiry into the scandal heard how other Fujitsu employees were reluctant to give witness statements.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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On Tuesday, the inquiry heard Mr Dunks was a member of the Fujitsu post office security team, described as an “analyst”, although he admitted having little technical training or knowledge of the Horizon system. He is still employed by the company.<\/p>\n

He left school at 16, studied electronics at college and worked as a builder before joining ICL, which later became Fujitsu.<\/p>\n

His initial role on the Horizon team was supervising the machine which produced cryptographic keys to secure Horizon machines.<\/p>\n

But his duties soon expanded to providing witness statements in cases accusing sub-postmasters of theft and false accounting. This involved extracting audit record query data \u2013 detailing what keys had been pressed within Post Office branches \u2013 and records of calls to the Horizon helpdesk.<\/p>\n

One of his colleagues, who was more directly involved with the helpdesk queries, was not willing to give evidence as, according to Mr Dunks, she found the process “a bit daunting”.<\/p>\n

And in Mr Dunks\u2019 witness statement, he said that after the case of Mr Castleton case in 2006, the manager of the Software Support Centre (SSC) team Mik Peach \u201cdid not want any of his team to go to court”.<\/p>\n

Mr Peach sent an email after the trial saying “the SSC [Software Support Centre, which operated the helpdesk] is NOT in position to undertake this role”.<\/p>\n

But Mr Dunks did provide witness statements, compiling them from pre-drafted paragraphs identified by capital letters, assembled following instructions from the Post Office. He was not able to tell the inquiry who originally drafted them.<\/p>\n

These covered the operation of the Horizon IT helpdesk, which he admitted having little knowledge of.<\/p>\n

In Mrs Misra\u2019s case and others, he told courts that the numerous calls put in by sub-postmasters were not a sign that the counters were not working properly.<\/p>\n

Mrs Misra was eight weeks pregnant with her second child when she was sentenced to 15 months in prison in 2010.<\/a><\/p>\n

When giving opinions about helpdesk matters, Mr Dunks said he informed himself by conversations with SSC staff, often face-to-face, but that these conversations were not recorded by him.<\/p>\n

He was asked by barrister Flora Page if he was covering for the SSC “because they were not prepared to stand up and defend Horizon in court”.<\/p>\n

\u201cNo, that\u2019s not how it worked,\u201d he replied.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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During the hearing Mr Dunks was presented with emails which appeared to show the Fujitsu team taking a light-hearted approach to the prosecutions.<\/p>\n

In 2006, before he gave evidence in the Mr Castleton’s case, his boss Peter Sewell wrote: “That Castleton is a nasty chap and will be all out to rubbish the Fujitsu name. It\u2019s up to you to maintain absolute strength and integrity no matter what the prosecution throw at you.”<\/p>\n

“Thank you for those very kind and encouraging words,” replied Mr Dunks. “I had to pause half way through reading it to wipe away a small tear.”<\/p>\n

Former sub-postmaster Mr Castleton was made bankrupt by the Post Office after a two year legal battle.<\/p>\n

At the inquiry, Mr Dunks denied that he was being sarcastic or joking, and said his manager was just trying to put him at ease.<\/p>\n

In 2002, the year he joined the security team, Mr Dunks was copied into an email from a Fujitsu staffer, Martin Riddell, congratulating the team on providing a witness statement to help to secure a conviction.<\/p>\n

“If I was a caring sharing manager I would buy a drink for everyone involved. But I am not. So I won\u2019t,” Mr Riddell wrote.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n


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